When we think about energy access, we tend to think about making sure everyone can light their homes and charge their mobile phones. But power for lighting and basic appliances is not enough.

The majority of the world’s electricity is used not in homes but in industry—in farms, f

actories, mines, and office buildings. Energy for industry is a critical driver of job creation and economic prosperity.

Last Tuesday, Executive Director Todd Moss joined Holly Shulman at the Center for Global Development to discuss how big the energy gap is, how the solutions so far haven’t been on the right scale, and to explain why the tradeoff between residential and industrial energy isn’t really a tradeoff at all.

Watch and listen to the whole podcast here.